@TrentMWeather yeah that's why I didn't even try, way too steep.
Some updated information has come to light this evening from our sister NBC station WTHR in Indianapolis about the state fair stage collapse. The following was posted on their web-site.
Updated: Aug 16, 2011 6:33 PM EDT
State Fair organizers say they will re-examine their severe weather evacuation plan following Saturday night’s tragedy.
13 Investigates broke the story Monday night that the fair’s plan did not address evacuating the grandstand. Also, the fair was not required to get a permit for the stage rigging, and that the state may never have inspected it.
The Indiana state fire marshal led teams of inspectors into the debris of the collapsed stage, where five people died after gusting winds toppled tons of steel to the ground.
13 Investigates discovered the Mid-American Sound Corp. did not have to get a permit to build the scaffolding, meaning no Indiana agency inspected it for safety.
The revelation caught Gov. Mitch Daniels off guard.
“I thought it was a learning point for all of us that something of that size that there isn’t some either inspection or certification. So it ought to be looked at,” said Daniels.
The lack of clear warnings and timely evacuation prior to the storm is now causing another serious concern.
At issue is the 45 minutes before the stage collapsed. (See the complete timeline here.)
At 8:00 pm, fair staff were alerted that the National Weather Service said severe thunderstorms would make the fairgrounds around 9:15pm.
At 8:30, Indiana State Police moved into the grandstands to help evacuate concert-goers.
At 8:39, the National Weather Service issued a “Severe Thunderstorm Warning” with the possibility of hail, lightening and strong winds.
At 8:45, six minutes later, the stage announcer let people know that severe weather was moving in, and instructed them on where they could seek shelter but did not call for an evacuation.
Four minutes later at 8:49, the stage crashed to the ground.
Fair spokesman Andy Klotz says those in charge were preparing to announce an evacuation, but never made it to the stage.
“We were assessing and assessing. We had all the information that a thunderstorm was coming and we were reacting to that information,” Klotz explained.
The document tells staff “to secure equipment inside of buildings so it’s not propelled by high winds, to evacuate from tents to solid structures, and to remember that severe thunderstorms can produce large hail damaging winds, heavy lightening, and even tornado activity.”
But it does nothing to address attendees in the grandstands or even the midway.
“Why isn’t there anything in there about the grandstand and what are worker’s supposed to do?” 13 Investigates asked.
“That is definitely one of the things that we are going to reassess, whether there needed to be, or needs to be some kind of individual policy,” responded Klotz.
Tracy Holt can’t believe the fair doesn’t have a better warning policy in effect for the entire grounds. She was near the rides in the midway when the wind gust came through.
“No, there was no weather warning. None at all. Nothing come over the loud speaker,” she told 13 Investigates.
We asked Klotz about the latest allegations of no warnings in other parts of the fairgrounds.
“I don’t know that to be true,” he said.
But Indiana State Police confirmed warning policies were all under review.
“It’s being reviewed. That’s the purpose of the investigation, that’s why we’re doing what we’re doing,” Bursten told 13 Investigates.
13 Investigates asked neighboring states for their severe weather policies. The Ohio State Fair specifically lays out who is to make the decision to evacuate and when to contact the governor’s office. It even includes a plan on how to evacuate animals.
The stage collapse at the Indiana state fair Saturday night is being described as a fluke incident. I could not disagree more. The definition of the noun fluke is: “an accident or chance happening”. This wasn’t by that definition and here’s why.
Timeline of Events (State Police)
At 7 p.m. Saturday, NWS in Indianapolis told fair officials that a thunderstorm would be in the area of the fairgrounds between 9 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. and that the storm would have heavy rain, lightning, strong winds and hail of up to 2 inches, according to the timeline released by ISP.
Fair staff was told of the severe thunderstorm watch by an autodialer shortly after 7 p.m. and again a little after 8 p.m., according to information provided by ISP.
At 8:30 p.m., ISP officers were moved to the grandstand to assist security and other personnel in the evacuation of concert attendees.
A severe thunderstorm warning was issued for Marion County at 8:39 p.m.
At 8:45 p.m., the concert emcee announced to attendees that severe weather was moving in, and attendees were told “how and where to seek shelter,” according to the released timeline.
The stage collapsed at 8:49 p.m., four minutes after the announcement from the stage.
Within a minute, the Indiana Fire Department was alerted of “a collapse with injuries at the fairgrounds.”
At 8:51 p.m., IFD workers who were on site responded to the collapse, and additional IFD and EMS units were dispatched to the scene.
By 8:54 p.m., crews had confirmed a collapse with multiple injuries, according to ISP’s timeline.
At 8:55 p.m., the Indianapolis Metro Police Emergency Response Group arrived at the scene of the collapse.
The Marion County coroner was called to the collapse at 9:06 p.m., and power was cut to the stage at 9:13 p.m.
Someone from the coroner’s office arrived at the scene at 9:15 p.m.
At 10:03 p.m., the incident was upgraded to a “Mass Casualty Incident Level 3.”
Two minutes later, all patients had been transported from the scene, including all five who died.
Indiana Task Force One was called to search the rubble at 10:26 p.m., with the search beginning a half-hour later.
At 11:27 p.m., the search was completed, and rescue operations concluded at 11:46 p.m., ISP said.
A secondary search of the Indiana State Fairgrounds was completed at 1:53 a.m. Sunday.
Nexrad Doppler radar at 7:59pm and you already see a problem as a gust front is visible on the radar well ahead of the actual rain.
Nexrad Doppler at 8:30 pm gust front is now 19 minutes away.
Nexrad Doppler at 8:44pm and the gust front is just 5 minutes away.
Nexrad Doppler radar at exactly 8:48 and 42 seconds.
This is what it actually looked like from Jessica(Jsilas7) a YouTuber who I contacted and she told me the timestamp on her camera was at 8:47 when she started rolling.
Loop from 8:00-9:06pm Local time. (Click to loop)
What happened here was that either communications broke down or the threat was greatly misunderstood by the officials at the Fair Grounds. These storms did not just pop-up or pulse right over the fair grounds which would indeed have been a fluke. There was plenty of warning, if you you knew or wanted to know what was going to happen. The focus on the actual Severe Thunderstorm Warning is insignificant in my opinion. The warning was issued at 8:39pm which was 10 mins before the stage collapsed. A severe thunderstorm warning is only issued when winds are 58mph or higher or hail is 1” in diameter or larger. Problem here is you have people in an outdoor event and around a temporary structure which requires them to seek shelter at a much lower threshold. Something that should have been known by those organizing the event. One of the fatalities was a stage hand in a metal light structure running a spot light, with lightning clearly visible in the distance. Lightning alone was sufficient reason to evacuate people and since lightning was within 10 miles of the fair grounds patrons should have been seeking shelter. Then you had at least 40-50 mph winds in these storms. Not enough to issue a warning but enough if I’m in a tent, camper or temporary structure, I’m evacuating that structure and I’m seeking shelter.
This is where I would recommend any outdoor event either have a trained meteorologist on-site or on call during the entire event. If you have trained police, fire and medics on site for emergencies then why not a meteorologist?”
The reliance on smartphone apps which was quoted by officials at the press conference Saturday night is unacceptable. As seen in the radar images the gust front was a huge threat that to an untrained eye and on a composite radar on your phone is not detectable. I love technology and especially my iPhone, but a weather app is not a meteorologist just like WebMD is not a doctor.
We need to learn from this incident and make weather preparedness a priority in all our outdoor events and activities. It amazes me the amount of safety precautions and preparation we make for terrorism, fire, and car crashes. Yet we still do very little for severe weather safety and preparation which occurs far more frequently and widespread than the prior.
Questions, comments or discussion are greatly appreciated. Because these are the types of things we need to talk about before they happen again. I don’t pretend to have all the answers or claim that all weather disasters can be predicted precisely. I know that having a plan and proper information and communications can greatly prevent such disasters in the future.
Brad Panovich Chief Meteorologist at WCNC-TV, Charlotte, NC
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